Vegas Knight

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Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:17 pm

Been watching this bloke for a while in jump outs and trials and felt he had more than average ability. Very green first start but still wanted to find line late then over raced next start but again wanted to find line. Today at Pakenham sensible ride by Nugent to take horse to front to eliminate any chance of kick back from loose surface and at same time being allowed to bowl along negated any chance of horse over racing. The way he responded in straight showed just how good he can be and will be when he matures. In fact close look at about 50 metres after finish and he still wanted to go on with job and was probably 7 0r 8 lengths in front. Think he won't be long in going for a spell and should mature into a very very nice horse.

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:09 pm

Wow. What an enormous run today at Flemington. Wasn't sure how it would handle a soft/heavy after a win on synthetic but fact Col ran it suggests it has perhaps shown a liking for sting out during trackwork. Also wasn't sure whether the plan would be to try and lead or take close possy up near lead. Instead Nugent opted to drop back and thought horse handled that well albeit I thought it got head up a bit near 800-600 for a fraction. Then on straightening up horse racing with it at rear also trying to make run may or appeared to take Vegas Knight out and baulk it for a run. When Nugent got Vegas Knight into clear it fair dinkum finished faster than Usain Bolt...so fast it managed to get third narrowly beaten by winner but 50m past post was a good two lengths in front and wanting to go on with it. I think myself the Autumn will be this bloke's go and the Australian Guineas would be perfect because we know now he can handle heavy or firm and he can handle the track. PS: Wonder how many noted his coat. Considering it is winter he looked a picture.

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:34 pm

Stewards Report from today's run at Flemington.
Vegas Knight Began awkwardly. Raced keenly passing the 1000 metres when the tempo eased. Held up for clear running from the 500 metres until near the 400 metres.
The head on in straight of Stewards vision shows 50m past post VK is in front and 100m past at least two lengths and surging further in front. Great signs

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:20 am

Sheez the difference less than half a length makes. Vegas Knight gets within half a length of Heirborn on Saturday and according to Raceform coverage of race for VK said "Should've won". So perhaps good thing Heirborn gets all the plaudits and they lay off VK but here is more ammo for you.
The released sectionals show VK has easily the best figures coming over last 600 on a heavy in 35.10, the last 400 in 23.32 and the last 200 in 11.92. That much shows he can handle a soft 7-Heavy 8 and I think allowed galloping room by coming on the outside at Flemington he has a real motor. Any horse who can break 12 for the last 200 on such conditions has put in a great run.

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:46 am

At my age (not telling) I could be accused of seeing things but for mine this bloke was looking for 1600m on Saturday. He was still wanting to go on with it as usual 50-100 past the post. And the other thing is do I detect that he takes perhaps 50m to begin a finish whereas others seem to get onto the bridle quicker. He was left a bit on straightening when they accelerated. Good thing is he did not seem to over race. Whatever you do do not give up on him on Saturday's run.

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:12 pm

This bloke has cost himself possibly a place in the Caulfield Guineas. Not sure of the balloting conditions but he has now won I reckon $65,000 which puts him further up in the field but quite a number above have won more. Maybe second in a G2 counts for something? Anyway his greenness and inability to settle when no pace on saw him pull and reef and give Williams a torrid time for about 800m. Williams I think had no option but to move forward quickly to stop the horse over-racing and so when they got to turn and the leader had skipped away it was a matter of had VK had enough ot could he pull something out with others making runs with him. As it was to be beaten only half a length was a great effort and 50-100m past the post he was a good two lengths in front again. Love to see the stewards report on race as well.

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:07 am

"Vegas Knight Raced ungenerously through the early stages before being allowed to stride forward passing the 1200m, then raced three wide without cover. Became unbalanced upon straightening when brushed by Conqueror which shifted out." At one stage it appeared he might have almost got on heels the way I saw it and Williams had to reef him away. Where to now?

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:23 pm

Not disgraced. Finished seventh beaten 4.8 lengths and was certainly further back than that at 800m. Just could accelerate immediately like some of others but when found a bit of room hit the line well and again I reckon 100-200m past post he was with leaders. Just wants more distance as Col has always said and looks the making of a very good horse in Autumn and next Spring.

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Forget run

Post by Darwin Scribe » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:19 am

After a quietly impressive first up fourth at MV this bloke was not same horse at Flemington on Saturday. Jockey did not know what was wrong and so it would seem everyone is in the dark. Well just a theory but perhaps the horse is not happy being stuck away on rails and needs to be one or two out and allowed to wind up out wide. Some horses can get claustrophobic if shut away. This bloke finished third one day at Flemington and steamed home out wide to just go under. Also Col has always said he had the makings of a stayer so a sharp run 1400m second up would not suit.

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Just forget it went around

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:57 pm

at Mornington in the Guineas (a) it drew the outside which meant it would have to be ridden for luck and that is what I think Nugent decided at least 1000m out but staying on fence was strange in a big field unless he felt they would fan out on turn and he would get a run through. Stewards report he was held up for a run from the 400 till the 100 by which time all others had momentum in their favour. It will show he finished second last...what it doesnm't show that if you watch the replay and it shows a good 100-200 after the finishing post he was absolutely full of running and dead set wanted to go so on that he as Col has previously suggested may be best at 2000m or further. Do not give up on him!

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Re: Vegas Knight

Post by Darwin Scribe » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:19 am

We saw something of the real Vegas Knight on Saturday. I said forget run at Mornington and in fact he probably made up 7 1/2 lengths on Chuck A Luck from their Guineas run. Good ride by Williams but still not sure the horse handled the going and still think he is a 2000-2400m horse. I think at those distances a chance to ride him in front and do what he did when he won his maiden.

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Well here we go

Post by Darwin Scribe » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:57 am

All along Col has said this bloke wants 2000m plus. So he goes to group class tomorrow and from what seems a terrible barrier. BUT ...this could be a blessing in disguise. I doubt if Prebble will try and go forward from this alley because he would be sure to be trapped wide or if her persisted use up too much petrol. So he just lets them jockey for position as he sits near rear, hopefully one out and then starts a run 600-800 out. It was a good run last week and again I noticed past the past about 100m he was still wanting to go. I think this run could say a lot about where he is at and where he could be going

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Well here we go

Post by Darwin Scribe » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:58 am

All along Col has said this bloke wants 2000m plus. So he goes to group class tomorrow and from what seems a terrible barrier. BUT ...this could be a blessing in disguise. I doubt if Prebble will try and go forward from this alley because he would be sure to be trapped wide or if her persisted use up too much petrol. So he just lets them jockey for position as he sits near rear, hopefully one out and then starts a run 600-800 out. It was a good run last week and again I noticed past the past about 100m he was still wanting to go. I think this run could say a lot about where he is at and where he could be going.

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Better run that it may appear

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:20 pm

Look he was beaten 4.15 lengths in a Group 3 yesterday. Considering his "out in the street" barrier draw and that Prebble deciding to go forward was obviously going to have to use up some petrol the horse beat home more than beat him and to me anyway showed he is dead set a stayer and over more ground. I cannot forget how he won his maiden, going to the front early and then dictating pace before strolling away. So it may well be that this could be the plan in he SA Derby. Go to front and adopt same tactics.

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Stewards Report says it all

Post by Darwin Scribe » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:36 am

Vegas Knight Raced three wide without cover. That is the stewards report from yesterday. Possibly has covered from start to near turn an extra 3-4 lengths at least that puts him right with the winner at finish.

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